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PostSubject: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:10 am

I've been interested in this theory for awhile now, but I just can't seem to understand it for the life of me, mainly due to the immense amount of scientific terms and wording everywhere I look, which is moonspeak to me. Can anyone here who actually understands the Schrodinger's Cat theory explain it for me in terms even an idjit like I could understand?

Oh, and just for those who are wondering what the Hell I'm talking about, Here's the wikipedia page for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:19 am

In simplest terms as I understand it is:

You put a cat in a box and therefore the cat can't be affected by anything outside the box. In the box with the cat is such a small amount of a radioactive material that the possibility of it decaying at any moment in an hour is 50/50 and so the decay is random. A device called a Geiger Counter is also in the box and when it detects the decay of the material it, by means of relays and such, smashes a flask filled with poison which will kill the cat.

So until you open the box the cat is both dead and alive at the same time because you as the observer haven't observed the cat in either state until you open the box. That's the general thing.

But Schrodinger's Cat isn't a theory, it's a paradox.

The question is when actually, does the cat become dead or alive and not a mix of both. Can the cat be the observer? But then how would the cat know it is dead? Does the observer have to be from outside the box? It is all a matter of opinion, after all it is a paradox.

Hope that explains it a bit better with less of the jargon.
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:22 am

Damn, KP nailed it, very impressive!
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:25 am

Quote:
when does a quantum system stop existing as a mixture of states and become one or the other?


Hurr might be more to it but..

EDIT: nvm KP pretty much explained it more paragraphs derpaderp
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:50 am

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KP answered whilst I was typing up my answer. XDD

Her explanation makes more sense, but I'll still give you mine, just because it took me about 10 minutes to write up. XD;

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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:06 am

Because I'm such a nerd I thought of the Pop'n song Schrodinger's Cat as soon as I saw the topic name. ):

But... it's odd. Makes you think... silly paradoxes. It definitely is confusing.
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:36 am

When I saw the topic name I thought of Lunar Knights, the space fighter Schrödinger, and Perrault, the dark terrenial that looks like a white cat.

But anyway... To me, it really doesn't make a load of sense, even with the explanations. To me, it sounds kinda stupid. But that's just me.
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:43 am

Don't worry if you can't understand it. It's on an entirely different level.
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:28 pm

Ah, it's a paradox rather then a theory. Both midnyte's and KP's explanations help me understand it much, MUCH better. I think I have a full grasp of the paradox, now. Thanks, guys!! =D
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PostSubject: Re: Schrodinger's Cat   Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:30 pm

I met this paradox before, it's actually quite funny in the consequences of arguments it sparks. I didn't meet it under the traditional version though. The one I read had a slightly different setup for the experiment...



There is a Kitty, a soundproof box, a gun and a line connecting its trigger to a small mirror of silver. When light falls on that mirror, the refraction rate is 50/50, the photon can either reflect off the mirror or penetrate it. One condition triggers the gun, the other does not. Of course, the cat cannot touch this setup.

And you need to open the box to find out how the cat is doing. But the act of observation, by introducing light, will make the photon refract (or NOT) and kill (or NOT) the cat.


This shows how the very act of observation influences the experiment, according to quantum mechanics. The state becomes determined at the moment of observation. It loses on the indeterminacy to stress another point of the theory.


>.> Funny...... that somehow came out more confusing than in my head.
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